if they have to push this economy off a cliff in order to protect billionaires, many are willing to do it. >> it didn't last long? did it? karl, last week, all the big story was four or five said we are ready. >> a few got removed from committees and everybody was back in line. >> they come out with this plan that john boehner basically is saying, no, no no. we are still -- grover is still calling the shots. he is. right? >> january 3rd, the new congress comes into session. some will raise our hands and take our oath to the constitution. others will take their oath to grover norquist. >> coom meeting ceremonies. >> grover, you know, the temple on 16th street. >> maybe the capitol grill, k street. it's unbelievable. >> carnalishment this is something i hope you can get in the debate is why we are here in the first lace that republicans put us on the path to the fiscal cliff by not doing what congress -- dozens of congresses have done, which is to extend the debt limit, not spend more money on getting into debt. >> that's to pay the interest on the debt we already 0. >> that's exact righ